Question

joffmiester · #1

why is a pairs match called a pairs match????????
during the series on the canal i came across a possible floor in the way i ran the compeitition
half way through the competition like most we had anglers dropping out and others turning up without a partner.i never really thought about it and i wanted everyone to have a days fishing
but this particle match two of the anglers that had fished on there own had done very well and because they hadn't a partner they were awarded maximum points
it then became apparent that even with the maximum points they had done very well as a pair

what happened next no one could of predicted
a angler asked if this competition was a pairs match or a individual match

straight away i said pairs match thinking nothing of it
to be fare i wasn't prepared for the answer the reply was quite clear that the two anglers should be dropped from the competition

at this point i stopped the results and asked for advice off other match organizers of which there were two very good organizers fishing the match
after a while all of us could see the right and wrong of this situation
we had to decide on what to do the easy way was a penalty point to be added to those who fished without a partner

:-/i wasn't happy with big penalty points as we were writing the rule book after the competition had started needless to say this angler had drifted away
so we decided on the amount of points the pairs match had started with 24 this was still too high for me and i looked back the average 22 was given
all done and dusted and we did the result pairs and individuals and that was the end of it

well i thought so
Tuesday night i had a phone call i press-zoom off the angler complaining on the day after rule after rule was thrown at me i just said my decision was final but it has left a little soar grape

so i just like to here what you would of done or whats right or wrong with my decision i can take it on the chim if you think i'm wrong

#2

Match fishing is in such a precarious state I think you have to be careful about disqualifying anglers for things such as that, you had a very well run league and all that would happen is those anglers not bother next time

joffmiester · #3

lloydy i've just added more

joffmiester · #4

Match fishing is in such a precarious state I think you have to be careful about disqualifying anglers for things such as that, you had a very well run league and all that would happen is those anglers not bother next time

this is the point we all agreed on lloydy
it was the only blip we had ,but it caught us out
and when money is involved rules have to be up held so i really need to know for next year

#5

When we have run 'club' pairs matches someone fishing without a partner would be awarded maximum pints i.e 25 pairs =25 points for his partners score.

In an individual league thats run on points, say the winter league, if you had a man short again you were awarded maximum points for that section.

That my thoughts.

#6

Joff
You did what you had to do and i think you did right in asking experienced match organisers opinion.You couldnt have done any more.Surely its up to the individual to sort out another partner not you ,as it is a pairs competition.
They should be penalised probably another 2 points at least
because if someone that has turned up and say blanked on the day they will receive maximum points .But at least they have fished the match.Its not your fault that he hasnt got a partner on the day.Like you say you got caught out and didnt expect it to happen .Also as you have said in a previous thread should the pair be made to alternate sections or leave it up to the individuals on the day.
Just a little fine tuning mate .Dont let it spoil what was a great league which by the comments on here everyone enjoyed.

Thats my opinion anyway.
Mark

#7

Run it on weight and you wont get that problem

Arch · #8

Why not draw a peg/s number before the match and whatever the peg weighs in use that weight for the missing angler.

We use to do this when we had odd numbers turn up for a pairs match. (We drew for pairs before the match)

I once came first and second in a pairs match this way.

#9

Interesting that one Arch - certainly a new un on me......

Just being devils advocaat............

What happens if a 'crack' draws a flier in section A, his partner a poor peg in B............and his partner suddenly is struck down with a dose of deli belly and can't fish and has to go home 'ill'

#10

Think you were spot on joff

#11

Easy peasy

Like you say it is a "Pairs Match"

Let the guy (whoever it is) fish the match for individual money only. His pairs score should count for crappity smack all.

I bet he didn't pay for his absent partner?

The answer is in the title of the match

No good trying to complicate the crappity smack

There's my tuppence worth for what it's crappity smack worth.

joffmiester · #12

i didn't want to go down the road of writing rules ,but i can see both sides to this argument
one pair fished and didn't do very well yet they sat there for 5 hours trying there hardest to step up the league.its got to be a kick in the teeth when a angler without a partner does well and beats them and are still in contention for a top 5 spot

i have always tried to get partners for anglers in the past anyway
at the same time all the angler taken part without a partner had paid there entrance before hand and lets be about right he too could of drawn rubbish and this problem would never come up

it s ablip but should i state next year you must have a partner or you are voided from the final pars league but can still fish individually

bill is right what he has said above its in the title
and where money is involved it could of turned nasty good job i'm 6.4 ::) ::)

#13

Just basing things on fact, - I can't see how a guy who ain't there can beat a guy that actually fishes, - don't makes sense to me.

It is a bit similar as to what happened to me a few years back, can't remember the exact figures.

I fished this team match and had 2 lb odd to only beat about three in my section of 20 odd. Iwas at the wrong end of the section and the weights gradually got worse. The guys the other side of me were in the next section and half of them blanked.
As the scres were done 1 point for winning the section 2 for second and so on half that section beat me, including the guy next to me, but they caught crappity smack all.
That was not right, it should have been t'other way round, you start with crappity smack all (0 points) and take it from there, - if you catch crappity smack all you can't really expect 'owt for it

#14

Rant over

joffmiester · #15

see what you are getting at but thats another section so i take it that was a team match.thats bad luck drawing where you did inthe section if you had been one peg to the right in that section it could of made a difference to your overall position butwas your angler that draw that section was he in the right end
this is was a pairs series points counted to every pair taking part over the 4 matches

all i want to know is how to address this in the future

hammo · #16

if his partner doesnt turn up and fees have already been payed his partner gets maxium points plus 1 more for not being at his peg for the weigh board as a angler who blanks is still their at the end must still be a point better than the angler who hasnt turned up.

#17

I can see the well meaning in what you say Hammo but in reality in all the years I have run matches I have yet to see an angler wait for the scalesmen and then weigh crappity smack all in, - they have long gone!!!!

I know it is a tricky one but at the end of the day it is a Pairs match. To be brutal if the chap fishing on his own could see himself finishing at best halfway up his section he would probably pack up anyway?

Keep baggin

#18

In any team match, 2 a side is a team I suppose, I was always told to start at the bottom, that is no fish no points. I have stuck by this for ever and a day and if there is a gliche it is far easier to compensate for any irregularity.

In this case the missing angler would get what he started with, nil points, the same as dry nets.
It has quite a few advantages doing it this way round, same as Angling Trust do.

joffmiester · #19

the john blunt of it bill this chap wanted the two to be disqualified from the overall competition because they had failed to provide a partner in a pairs match and now thinking about it it would of possable move him and his partner up

i wouldn't think he will be fishing next year anyway

manny · #20

how about letting each pair drop their worst result then if there is a no show this will be it anymore no shows then disqualified for the final pair placings but still fish for individual pools on the day